Episode 10: Amber Moran

[00:00:10] Speaker A: Hi, Mark Hodgson here and welcome to the latest edition of Sky Careers podcast. This week I'm very excited. It's my absolute pleasure to introduce someone who I've known for a very, very long time. Her name is Amber Moran. She is currently a rescue crew officer. A newly minted rescue crew officer working for Offshore Services Australia. I knew Amber many, many years ago. She grew up with my kids in the Northern Beaches of Sydney. So I've literally known Amber probably most of her life. I'm so proud of what she's achieved and she's going to go and tell us all about that. So Amber Moran, this feels weird but I'm so excited. Welcome to the Psycareas podcast. How are you? [00:00:59] Speaker B: Thanks for having me. Very excited. [00:01:01] Speaker A: Yeah, we're so excited for you. So let's start. So tell us, what do you do and where do you work, Amber? [00:01:10] Speaker B: Yeah, so as you said, I'm a rescue crew officer with Offshore Services Australasia. They are based in, predominantly based in Western Australia but they also have a base in Darwin in Northern Territory. My base is in Karatha so that's where I fly and fly out to. But I'm living on the sunny coast so I do a two week on, two week off swing. [00:01:33] Speaker A: Just to set the picture really quickly, we're going to go into a bit of detail on this as we get going. You're the one who comes down a wire out of a helicopter, aren't you? [00:01:40] Speaker B: Correct. And they nickname it Teabag because you're the one that's getting dunked in and out of the water. So yeah, so I go down the line and do the rescue on the ground. That's where I take control in this situation. The parts get us there, the windshop operator gets me down there and then I take control on the ground or in the water or on the boat. [00:01:59] Speaker A: Awesome. Well, welcome Amber. You're our first Tea Bayer. Looking forward about everything around. That sounds very exciting. Let's start at the beginning. Where did you go to school and what were your favourite subjects? [00:02:12] Speaker B: Yes, I went to school on the Northern Beaches of Sydney. I went to a senior high school, freshwater senior high school and I biked all the hands on activities mostly. So definitely sport. I did sport PDHP and then I also liked tech stars which is a bit of a random one but also like I also liked business so I did like the business side of things too but definitely I was always hands on so sports favorite for sure. [00:02:43] Speaker A: And actually I'm looking, I'm looking at your, I'm looking At your, your, your regime. You were, you were a marina attendant at the Royal Motor Yacht. You loved doing that, I remember. [00:02:52] Speaker B: Yeah, so I was a marine attendant as my first job, and I kept that job for 7ish years until I finished my degree. So I did all through high school, then through my degree, but I also picked up while doing my degree, lifeguarding. So I was a, I mean, I grew up doing surf life saving as you do on all the beaches, but I picked up paid lifeguarding work as well for when I was doing my degree, which worked great. And I loved being on the beach all the time. And back then I couldn't believe I was getting paid to sit on the beach watching and helping swimmers. So that was probably the entry of where this job probably came from, I think where my love for it came from. [00:03:35] Speaker A: Falling in love with those northeasterns on an afternoon, just getting wind blowing all afternoons. [00:03:40] Speaker B: That nor' easter wind. Yeah. [00:03:43] Speaker A: What degree did you do, Amber? [00:03:45] Speaker B: I did a Bachelor of Business Management. And when I finished that, I knew that I didn't want to go to an office. So that's why I left Sydney and I went traveling. I just wanted to see what else was out there. And yeah, I just didn't want to go straight into an office. Job in the city didn't call for me at all. So. [00:04:05] Speaker A: I'm sorry, I'm leading the witness because I know some of the answers to these questions. Before we get into the aviation, what did you do? Where did that lap take you? [00:04:15] Speaker B: Yeah, so I did a bit of sporadic lap. I did the Queensland up to Cape York for driving. And then when we're coming down, it was all that Covid harassed stuff. So I didn't go back to Sydney. There was no jobs going on in Sydney. It was meant to be a two month trip. So we went down to Victoria because it was the winter and had snow passes. So it's snowboarding. And that's when Victoria went into lockdown. So then it was kind of like, do we go home to lockdown or stay in Victoria for lockdown? But I was sleeping in my car at this time, so it was freezing as well. And then it was kind of like, okay, well let's live in Victoria for a bit. Do the snow mountains. Got a job, just the local caravan park, which I did admin, which they provided accommodation, which was the big tick because living in your car and the snow was freezing. So then, yeah, Covid finished. Loved the town. Like it was a, it was an awesome town. And going snowboarding on the weekends and then the high country in summer. This is bright. [00:05:11] Speaker A: This is bright. [00:05:12] Speaker B: Yeah, Bright, Victoria. So just at the foot wells of the Victorian high country. And, yeah, summer was just as good as winter. Spent two years there and then decided there was nothing. I mean, caravan park wasn't a career that I wanted to stay in. And I thought, it's probably time I start thinking about my career because it's now been a couple years since I've finished uni, so still didn't really want to go into an office in Sydney, so decided to do a little bit more travel over to the west side. Did another road trip that was two months again up the middle of Australia and across, which is where I ended up in Exmouth. And when I got there, a friend that I met in Bright was also there being like, oh, let's get a rental. Let's work here. And in my head I was like, oh, I just. I couldn't go back to hospitality. I was like, I've done my time there. I need to start something that, like, is maybe gonna pique my interest. And a friend goes, oh, they've got jobs at the heliport. Would you be interested in working in the airport? And I. I've never even. I've never even heard of aviation as a job. And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I'll give that a go. That's something a bit different. Started there and loved it. I was like, I have to work under these helicopters. I get to. Yeah, I just. The whole aviation industry is totally different to what I. Anything I've known sort of thing. And, yeah, loved it. So started. Slept 7 months in Exmouth working, and then the rental is basically what pushes out of Exmouth. Yeah. [00:06:44] Speaker A: Yeah. So Exmouth is how many kilometers? Hundreds of kilometers north of Perth. It's a long way north, isn't it? [00:06:51] Speaker B: 1300, I'm pretty sure. 1300 kilometers north, yeah. It's a lot. It's a long. And I mean, the closest town to Exmouth is about 400Ks, and that's Carnarvon. And that's, again, not a town. I wouldn't count it as a. Without a horse. Right. Yeah. So it's very isolated, it's very small. I mean, there's no woolies, there's no cold. It's just an iga, but it's. It's an awesome spot. It's got this magnificent reef and heaps to do in terms of around. Around the town and camping. [00:07:28] Speaker A: Sorry, Amber. Just to locate this in time for us. So you and I Are recording this at the end of Octo in 2025. When did you first sort of happen upon Exmouth helicopter? [00:07:41] Speaker B: September 2023. When we first got to. [00:07:45] Speaker A: That's two years ago, right? [00:07:46] Speaker B: Yep. Just. [00:07:49] Speaker A: Just to create context there. So Amber was not. You were not in aviation? [00:07:52] Speaker B: No, Never even really hurt. Like I never found a job. [00:07:55] Speaker A: You weren't in aviation at all. And now two years later, you've just qualified the rescue crew offers so that just anyone listening to give you a sense of how you get into it, which we'll carry on talking about with Amber, but also how you can move around, which will also talk about. And actually achieve stuff pretty quickly. I think you're the poster child of that Amber. So that's a great thing for people to understand. [00:08:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't know. Living in Sydney, maybe it was more so on the northern beaches, which is quite isolated from. I'd say city. Yeah, the city. In a way it is. [00:08:34] Speaker A: Let's go. Going into Sydney, which is. Let's. It's about 55 minutes on the bus. It's seen like a big things. Oh, yeah. Do I have to. Do I want to. Do I really need to. [00:08:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:47] Speaker A: And we do get a little bit kind of isolated. I mean, as you know, called the insular. [00:08:51] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:08:53] Speaker A: Peninsula. It's not for nothing. [00:08:54] Speaker B: It's. [00:08:54] Speaker A: It's very. It's true. [00:08:55] Speaker B: It's true. So aviation was never even on my radar as a. As a potential job, basically. [00:09:02] Speaker A: That's interesting. So take this. Take us from your foot, Take us from literally that what you. When you first stumbled on that job to where you are today. [00:09:11] Speaker B: Yeah. So I was at the heliport working with three different companies that come to that heliport. It was Phi Offshore Services, which I'm now at, and chc. And I loved working with all of the different types of helicopters because they all had different types of helicopters as well. But basically, as I said, the rental market was atrocious there, so was getting pushed out of Exmouth. But I knew I wanted to stay in aviation. Basically. I was like, this is actually. I can see a pathway here and I could use my skills in this industry. So I spent now almost three years out of a city. It was kind of time to get moved to a city. So looking at Perth and a job popped up at Phi in their operations centre. And I applied and I got it. Which I think the help of being at heliport plus my business degree, I think did help me get that job because it kind of showed that I can Be on a computer too, not just hands on. So I think that did. So then I was going back into office life and I started that job and I actually really enjoyed that job as well. It was in the city, it was in the operations center. So we were managing the bases that they have in Australia, which is Darwin, Exmouth and Groom, all from the regional operations center, they call it. And that was very fast paced. When things went wrong, you had to be on your best game basically, dealing with clients as well. It was good to see the back end of how all these operations work. So dealing with the clients that actually pay for obviously the service. And then we dealt with the medevac and SAR activation. So we were the ones coordinating them. And that's where I got introduced to the rescue crew officers and the air crew officers and the whole sar, which is search and rescue behind the daily charter flights, basically. And I was like, why am I in an office? I want to be out there now. So as soon as I sort of heard about that, I had a three month review with my supervisor and her partner is actually in sar. And I said straight away, I said, in that three month review, I said, I like this job, but I know that that's where I want to be. She knew from the start that I wanted to get into sar. [00:11:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it's not a mist. Not anyone who knows you a little bit. It's not a mystery. It's like, yeah, of course Amber was born for this. Okay, so that, that happened and then. And then what was the. What was the process after the strong nudge to your. In your review to say, hey, I really want to be over there? [00:11:51] Speaker B: Yeah. So I made it very known within my company that that's where I wanted to be. So if any jobs did pop up that I was first one there, like, I'm ready, I'm ready to go. It was probably another. I didn't really think about other companies at that stage. I was pretty happy with Phi, where they got me. I learned a lot about their program and what they offer. And I like the sounds of it. They have a few people that gone through that program four years ago still with the company. So in my head I thought, it's great. It's a great program that they offer. People stay people, obviously. Like, wasn't until about maybe a year in at Phi that I had a good chat to the SAR flight ops main person and he said, there's not really much in the pipeline in terms of cadetships. They're getting contracts, but they're just Moving people around basically. And that was when I was like, oh, I really don't want to have to wait a long time to get into this now. And there's obviously no guarantees or if a job did pop up that I will get it so that this company. So that's when I really started pushing other, like looking at pushing for other companies. And I just applied, applied, applied, applied. I went and got my CASA II medical to show that obviously I'm clear to fly. And then I also a lot of the prerequisites for the jobs are advanced resusc and first aid, which I obviously had when I was lifeguarding, but they all expire when you don't use them. So I went and got them as well. And then yeah, again applied, applied and then I got contacts as well, which I would call or email just with a background of what I am doing currently and obviously my background in lifeguarding so that I knew that I'm not just an office girl. If I just said I'm at Phi operations center, they wouldn't know that I am a hands on person too. And I just kept on applying. And then Blair from CHC got my contact, gave me a call and was. I had already applied for the job but I was still contacting. Even when you apply, I kept contacting, emailing. [00:14:07] Speaker A: It's going to. [00:14:08] Speaker B: Right, yeah, exactly. It really was, it really was. And someone passed my contact on who knew I had applied for the job to someone that they knew at OSIR was an engineer. And then that engineer gave it to the chief crew and the chief crew gave it to Blair. So then Blair called me, had a chat with me, said, yep, this is great, I've got your resume here, we'll book you in for an interview. I was actually on a road trip at the time, so I was up in Arnhem Land, booked me in for an interview. It all went obsoletely smooth. And when I was in Arnhem Land, you need to do a fitness test to get in. And I was like, I can drive up to Darwin if you want. So met them in Darwin, did a fitness test in Darwin and yeah, it all went smooth. So then I got the job and four weeks later, because I had to put my resignation in, four weeks later I was flying across the country to do a SIM in Sydney. [00:15:04] Speaker A: What was the fitness test? [00:15:07] Speaker B: It was a 2k weighted walk or within times. I can't exactly remember the exact times, but 2k work, 2 minute plank, chin up, hold. I think that's. Oh, push ups. I think 20 push ups. And then that was the land component. And then the swim component was 700 meter swim within a time. [00:15:35] Speaker A: Easy peasy for you, Amber. [00:15:37] Speaker B: And then it was a spin swim as well. On your back you had to have a swim and then also a rescue pool. So you had to pull someone across 200 meters or something. Or maybe it was a hunter. Yeah, I can't remember the exact. [00:15:51] Speaker A: And you obviously passed with flying colors, I'm sure. [00:15:54] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it was. Well, I was a bit. I hadn't swum in a while. I always. I grew up swimming, but I hadn't swam in a while. So when I was on this road trip, I went to the Nullum by local pool, which is up in East West Arnhem Land and did some laps. And I was like, oh, sorry, I'm good for the time. So it made me feel a bit better. [00:16:12] Speaker A: But yeah, well done, well done. Okay, right, bring us so fast forward. So I know you've just completed the training, so talk us through what was the training you've just completed to be a rescue crew officer. [00:16:26] Speaker B: Yeah. So we started in Sydney. It was me and another girl that were getting put through the training. So we started in Sydney sim. We did two days in the pool, three hours each day going up and down the wire, learning the procedures, learning the water rescue techniques with life rafts, with also just a strop, which is the one that you would see that just goes straight around your body. So spent two days in the pool doing water winching. And then the third day we did our Hewitt course, which every person that goes offshore needs to do this Hewitt course, which stands for Helicopter Underwater Escape Training. Basically they dunk you in this simulated helicopter. You're strapped into your seat, they put you upside down, turn you upside down. [00:17:16] Speaker A: Yep. [00:17:17] Speaker B: And you have to get out through the windows. And we'd just done two days of winching. Being the hero, rescuing. Then to be the one getting dunked and having to escape and water going up your nose, it was not fun. [00:17:33] Speaker A: I actually, I think, you know, I'm a failed Royal Navy part. I've actually done the dunk for many, many years. It's kind of exciting. Scary, isn't it? [00:17:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I think if I had done that the first day, I'd be like, oh yeah, cool. Like this is a really cool introduction to what I'm, what I'm doing. Because it was like the third day of being in the pool and I wasn't the one rescuing. I was the one getting basically dumped. I was like, oh, this Was. And we were. We weren't in wetsuits that day either. We had to be in our flight suit, which two days prior we could be in our wetsuit. So we were both freezing, me and the other girl. So that probably didn't help either. But yeah, so that was the third day of into Sydney. And then obviously before and after we were doing a bit of ground school, just talking through procedures. So then the fourth day we flew to. Oh, you had to have a day off. And then the fourth day we flew to Darwin where we got to see the Darwin base. They have 175s there, which wasn't what we were going to be on, but just due to contractual things, we had to be in Darwin where the ACO was the trainer. Check in trainer. And we got a flight in the 175 which was awesome. So that was our first flight and our first time going down the wire on a live helicopter. [00:18:48] Speaker A: 175 is a helicopter, I assume a rescue helicopter. [00:18:50] Speaker B: Yeah, well, it's the charter one, but they use it as LIMSAR too. Yeah. So it's H175 Airbus. And yes, we got to each go on a training flight down the white as the patient. So we weren't actually the ones rescuing. But it was. It was awesome to see the other crew working and what they do and how they do it. And then just doing lots of ground school in Darwin with those flights. And then we went to. So we had a couple. We had a week off. So just week off. And then we flew to Baro Islands. This is where we did all our training for the AW139, which is the aircraft that we are rated to. And that was a crazy week. It was just every single day we were doing ground school. A flight. Yeah, ground school for whatever the rescue technique we were going to do on the flight. If we do the flight, then we'd come back, debrief, go over what we just learned. Then the next day would be another rescue type of technique. So this a few different ways rescue someone. We drew a stretcher winch, a highline winch, a tagline of a bow, the water winching. So every single day was just a different sort of technique as well as all the background of learning, learning it as well. It was both book and flight, which was. It was good to put the theory into the practical. And then by the end of that week, we did an OPC that was. So we only did the opc, provided it was all like going smoothly. Did the opc, which is your Operator's proficiency check. We did that over the Montebello Islands, which, if anyone knows, Western Australia, they are beautiful. They are stunning. And to be able to fly over them with seeing all these turtles, turtles on the beach, because it's turtle mating season. So it's hurdles everywhere. To be able to do our OPC over there was really cool. So we're letting off flares and it was more of a scenario based, so we didn't really know what to expect. They did it as a scenario. What would you do in that scenario? How would you rescue them? Who's the priority patients? And did all that. And then, yeah, we both passed that. So then we had a week off and then came on shift. So now we're just like slowing it all down, getting used to our equipment, learning the bases that we're at, because I'm at Karratha. So it's a different base again, it's all a bit slightly different. And also your acos, which is your air crew officer, learning what they like or how they do it, because you'd ask three ACOs the same question and they'd all have a different answer. So, yeah, everyone does it slightly different, but as long as you're doing it the correct segue, what a whirlwind. [00:21:43] Speaker A: So. And as you and I are speaking now, I'm sorry, by the way, I should say a look around. For anyone listening to this, look around the podcast somewhere, Amber's got some awesome images which she shared with us. And you'll be able to, you'll be able to, you'll be able to see what she's talking about and get a better, better, better visual understanding. But just, just bring us up to speed, Amber. So where you and I are talking right now, so you are, you are effectively on call, is that right? [00:22:11] Speaker B: Yep. So now I'm on swing and on shifts. I am on call basically daylight hours. So six till six, approximately. And we could be activated anytime during that time. For offshore services Australasia, their main business is the charter flight. So taking passengers offshore. So when they're flying, we have to be obviously ready that if a helicopter ditches, that's our first priority to go get those passengers that have ditched in that helicopter. But their side, side sort of business for the, for them is AMSA call app. So we could be tasked by amsa, which is Australian Marine Safety Authority. I thought I wouldn't remember that one for a second. [00:23:01] Speaker A: I'm very impressed. Well done. [00:23:04] Speaker B: And they could task us for epubs that have gone off or life rafts or. Yeah, so. Or like boats that are in life rafts. Just any sort of vessel in distress. So we could be tasked. Or people that are ill on cruise ships or the oil ships, container ships. Yeah, so anything sort of like that we could be tasked to as well. So we're trained in amsa, so we got different equipment as well for AMSA call ups. They. They put. They give us equipment that they want specifically used to their tasking. [00:23:43] Speaker A: So how often do you go out? And I know, I know you're very early in this, but how often do you go out? So obviously and hopefully you don't get called out, you know, for an emergency. So how often. Or a helicopter emergency. How often would you sort of go out training during the day when you're on call? [00:24:03] Speaker B: So it depends on. It's mainly. They mainly do training around recency requirements. So this weekend had a lot of pilots that needed recency requirements. So on Saturday we did five flights and it was about six hours of flying. So I was pretty buggered by the end of the day going up and down because the pilots would swap out. But obviously there's only us on shift. So it was the same person going up and down, which was me, which was fun. It was great. And then yesterday as well, we did some more flying, which for another couple pilots that need some recencies. And yesterday was a really cool day. It was a blast off on the. On the coast and flying over the rocky coast of Karatha. It was crystal clear water, you could see manta rays and things. It was really awesome. But yeah, it's mainly based around recency requirements which every pilot needs to keep it up every 90 days. So I mean every three swings they need to do a flight at least for the limsar. So side of it. And it depends as well, there's different recency requirements. So a lot of them were boat transfer ones required. So we were doing a lot of boat landing on a boat. [00:25:13] Speaker A: Wow. So they're keeping you busy, which I love. What part of your job do you enjoy the most? [00:25:20] Speaker B: Ember, definitely the flying, hands down, flying over the coast and seeing different areas for sure. I do like the roster side of it as well. Being able to have two weeks on and then two weeks off is nice. You do a lot of that two weeks and go on holidays and things that I like that too. [00:25:40] Speaker A: And when you're off, you're off off, aren't you? That's it. Yeah, we just. You're not, you're not training. That's Every, everything. So effectively you, we. You work 26 weeks a year, correct? [00:25:50] Speaker B: Yep. Yep. [00:25:51] Speaker A: Awesome. Half your luck. [00:25:54] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's awesome as well. I do love that part of as well because I like travel. That's how I got into this job. So. Yeah. [00:26:04] Speaker A: And what's the least favorite part of your job? [00:26:06] Speaker B: Probably the waiting around. Like you're not always tasked so you've got to keep yourself busy. You gotta. Yeah, you don't, you don't need to be stimulated, otherwise you will just go stir crazy. And I think, yeah, it can be a little bit isolating in this job. I mean, the industry is changing, but currently my age and demographic, there's not. The base isn't full of girls my age, it's middle aged men working as engineers or pilots. So that's a little bit hard in that sense. [00:26:41] Speaker A: Just remind us, how old are you, Amber? [00:26:43] Speaker B: I'm 25. [00:26:46] Speaker A: Amber's 25 and is dropping out of helicopters. And you know, we talk about often on the sky Careers podcast, you know about obviously out Genesis is all about helping people, especially helping women find pathways into aviation. So. Yeah, you're still a bit of a groundbreaker, aren't you? There's not a lot of you yet. [00:27:10] Speaker B: No, there's not a lot yet, but it is definitely. It is changing for sure. But just at the moment it's still bit more of a niche for me. [00:27:21] Speaker A: But also the industry is open to it. Right. [00:27:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [00:27:24] Speaker A: So. So I know from Talking to the CHCs of the store that they're actively looking to. [00:27:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And I mean the other girl, that is the train, the other girl I did train with, we were the exact same. Like we were the same person. We got like a house on fire. But it's just a shame because Obviously there's not two RCOs on at the same time. So we'll never work together, unfortunately. She'll always be in a different place. Yeah. So that's little bit unfortunate in that sense. [00:27:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And what do you do when you're not at work, Amber? [00:27:52] Speaker B: I travel. I go camping. Literally this swing before I started, I just asked if I could fly up a few days earlier. So I flew up four days earlier and went to Exmouth because my car's still over west. So I went camping with a friend in Exmouth at Warwick Station and then saw my old friends as well when I lived in Exmouth. So that was really nice. Yeah. On my time off I like to go traveling and camping or boating, whatever I can get outdoors basically. [00:28:25] Speaker A: Where would you call home? Where do you live now? [00:28:27] Speaker B: I live on the Sunshine coast now, so at Moffat beach. So as well. I like to go now, surfing as well. My time off, I haven't been since I lived in Sydney, basically. So it's nice to be back in the waves and the surf and the warm weather. Although I've been in warm weather for a while now. But I can stay in warm weather. I don't have to be in the cold or bright, which is the main reason I left there as well. Couldn't stand the cold. [00:28:56] Speaker A: Sounds very cool. All right, well, as we bring this to a close and we've touched on a little bit, what advice would you give to other young women or men looking for a career in aviation? [00:29:10] Speaker B: I'd say get your foot in the door. Aviation is a pretty small industry. If you make yourself known when you first get into your aviation job, whichever pathway you're going to take, if you do a good job, people will know. People in the industry will know. It's a small world, it's not a huge industry. So people talk as well. So if you want to get somewhere, just keep planting that seed with different people. You never know who's going to have that one contact that will get you there and just keep applying, find what you like and keep applying for that job. It will come. Jobs do come up. So, yeah, just keep pushing. If you want to get there, you'll get there. You just got to keep pushing. [00:29:57] Speaker A: I love that, Amber. And as we said, and clearly teamwork is a massive part of the attraction and the outdoor life and just that flexibility and things changing all the time, which, which you talk, you've talked about. And as I say to literally 24 months ago, you were tripping around doing bits and bobs. Caravan. Caravan and other things. And now you know, you're a newly qualified rescue officer, jumping out of helicopters, doing dramatic things, living in incredible parts of the world and highly trained and obviously loving life. And that's what I mean. It's a big credit to yourself and no surprise to those of us who know you well. But also it demonstrates, doesn't it, the opportunities that do exist in aviation for those with the right work hard ethic. Have a crack, become a squeaky wheel. Talk to everyone. [00:30:54] Speaker B: Talk to everyone. That's the big thing. Just keep talking, keep telling people where you want to get to. Because, yeah, as I said, you don't know who will have a piece of advice. Because I was looking at even doing potentially the Cert 4, just paying for it myself, getting the Cert 4 qualification. And then I talked to someone that was who was an rco, he's now a pilot. But he said, no, don't do it. Yes, you'll get a little bit of experience, but the training will be specific to your company and what they actually require for their contracts. So don't do it. It's a waste of money, basically. [00:31:26] Speaker A: Great advice. So, pays to talk. [00:31:29] Speaker B: Yeah, pays to talk. And then he gave me advice on which ones to get which. Like which qualifications to get which it helped that I was in the operations center, so I already had a lot of the ones that he said, which is aeronautical radio license, your dangerous goods, all those. I already had them. So that was handy as well, to know that that's helping me as well, getting the job. Brilliant. Just keep talking, keep talking. [00:31:52] Speaker A: Hey, Amber, we're going to end by not keeping talk. Absolutely awesome. As I say, you know, we've known each other for a very long time. I'm incredibly proud of you. I can't wait to see where your new career takes you and I'm sure it will be amazing. Great to see you living life and enjoying life and doing really well. And yeah, I'm a bit jealous. Dangling out the back of the doctors, doing heroic things and saving people. And that's got to be sitting in an office, isn't it? I reckon. [00:32:20] Speaker B: Absolutely. Much, much better. My office is outside now, which is nice. Love it. [00:32:26] Speaker A: All right, Amber, thanks so much for being part of the Sky Careers. [00:32:29] Speaker B: Thanks for having me podcast. [00:32:31] Speaker A: And yeah, until next time, people. That's Amber. Absolutely amazing. As I say, look around the podcast where you're finding this. There'll be some amazing pictures from some of the stuff Amber's doing, so really encourage you to look at that. And yeah, wherever you are, I'm sure you'll be A, impressed and B, probably a little bit envious. So I invite you to check that out. So thanks again, Amber. [00:32:54] Speaker B: Thanks for having me. [00:33:02] Speaker C: Thanks for listening to the Sky Careers podcast. If today's conversation has sparked your interest in aviation, then head over to our [email protected] au whether you dream of flying aircraft or you're curious about the hundreds of other exciting roles that keep the aviation industry moving, Sky Careers is your gateway to discovering these opportunities. 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